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(03-06-2020 05:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  Overall things are pretty calm at this point. I think we have 20 or so confirmed cases so my guess we could probably see 1000 in a couple weeks. My parents are back to their northern Alberta winter wasteland now, so I feel better about that. But who knows, half their community goes to warm places for the winter so they will probably just bring something back when they return.

We'll be calm for another week or two I figure.
Less than 24HRs after revealing the influenza sentinel corona testing in my prior post it was confirmed via the method that there's unknown community transmission in Vancouver and exported case from Washington state.

The BC gov came out in a presser and pretty much official confirmed/hinted at what my source told me weeks before regarding their pandemic planning. They've pretty much revealed the first stages with continued attempts at containment and increase of health sector resources.

Even though it's a a lefty NDP gov, they're now the most forthcoming in all of Canada (including the feds)

They didn't reveal the later stages which (including the quarantine sites) would see movement control and travel, mostly would be in an effort to stop a spread to the rest of the province.
I doubt they'll be able to restrict that much inner city movement, there's simply not enough man-power to implement Chinese level of Marshall law, but could do so for travel between communities in BC. We don't even have any CFB bases on the mainland (several reservists though)
Due to geography there's road choke points aplenty (Sea2Sky, Fraser valley) and stopping BC ferries gets all the islands blocked off.
Get yourself a map of old logging roads in a true SHTF scenario.

I'm not sure what exactly is going on in the other provinces, but I'm certain Ontario has community spread in the Toronto area, seeing as to how the Dominican Rep. has a confirmed case being a tourist from the province.

Trudeau is useless and is still letting non-PR/non-citizen foreigners into the country (there's already a confirmed Iranian visitor)
Media is garbage and also ineffectual

Get your affairs in order (including those of loved ones) during this current lull and strap in

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(03-11-2020 01:15 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  [Image: qi1b6su5hwl41.png?width=1117&for...070f851f23]

Here is a snapshot of local ER wait times earlier in the day. (note: this covers a population of around 800-900K

Healthline (nurse phone) and officials are advising individuals NOT to go to Emerg, but rather the UPC centres (bottom of pic).

Normally the wait times at those UPCs are actually lower than emerg (normally 1-1.5 HR waits.

Most are also being told to go their GPs or walk in clinics (who have PPE and testing capabilities, criteria is still strict)

I think Canada is a week behind the US.

Here is an update from March 12th

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Atrocious wait times, I have not seen UCC centres waittimes longer than 2 (it is not a trauma centre)

This is a catchment area of 800K people

In the coming days they will be establishing dedicated testing centres as they do not want people directed to Hospitals for the time being, unless in critical cases.

They have also asked recently retired doctors to re-register to help once this worsens.

I'll be continuing to watch these numbers, once the wait-times and hospitals test levels not seen since the Stanley Cup riots, that's when it's point of no return.

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Glad I GTFO out of Vancouver last week, currently holed up in a remote work camp in Alberta with 200 or so other red necks. We have lots of arse wipe, hand sanitizer, plenty of food, etc. Hopefully things clear up by the time I’m done here in another 19 days.

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(03-13-2020 10:01 AM)scotian Wrote:  Glad I GTFO out of Vancouver last week, currently holed up in a remote work camp in Alberta with 200 or so other red necks. We have lots of arse wipe, hand sanitizer, plenty of food, etc. Hopefully things clear up by the time I’m done here in another 19 days.

I can only imagine what some of these remote forestry guys who do outbound trips of 2 weeks with just radio contact are going to think when they come back into town.

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^^^ Is it true that all remote job sites are actually taking proper precautionary measures like temperature checks. Heard it through the grapevine.

Trudeau out of commission means Deputy Minister cottagecheese legs Freeland is running the show. The government has their feet on the gas now since it hit Rideau Hall. Full border closures are on the menu including land

I posted in the main thread, but Canadian Armed Forces members have had all current and requested leave cancelled. They are not allowed to leave the country, including to the US. All members overseas are being told not to come back and stay put.

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Canadian cabinet was quite panicked during the press conference.
They cut to Trudeau's residence, even Trudeau is less "polished" than usual, he's talking with a faster pace and more nasally.

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We haven’t had anything medical screens like temperature checks but they have plenty of antibacterial foam dispensers around the camp and signs telling people to wash their hands and to report if they feel ill. They set up an empty portion of the camp to quarantine people if needed. I heard that they sent a Chinese worker back to Calgary because he had recently visited China, not sure if he quarantined or not but I’m here for three weeks now instead of two because the guy I’m filling in for is in Japan and has to quarantine when he gets back next week.

My company’s office is down the road from a Canadian military base, so I have to drop off my work truck there (it’s three hours from the camp) before taking my personal car back to Edmonton on April 1st. If this virus gets really out of hand in the next couple of weeks then I’ll stay up there, my company has a crew house where I can hide out, they’ll probably put me to work anyway. It’ll be a lot safer than Calgary or Edmonton.

Looting at the Walmart in Airdrie (Half hour north of Calgary), I wonder how high these fucker’s parents scored on the point test when they came to Canada? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUHskzFLFxE

Last Saturday I looked at a new house in Edmonton, plan is (was?) to sell my condo and buy the house, by Monday the price of oil tanked and now the Corona insanity, I think I may just wait, interest rates will probably fall and the house price may drop too, interesting times ahead boys!

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Expect the borders to be closed this week.

I've never seen Canadians so united and angry at Trudeau calling for border shutdown now these past two days. Even the die hard Liberal Boomers who got caught up with PET are saying things like "Trudeau's indecisiveness is going to get us killed"

Canadian gov telling Canadians worldwide to get the fuck back home.

Nova Scotia hasn't been happy with the border screening (lack thereof) and are angry they have to dedicate officials at airports to do the job the Feds hasn't (wasting provincial resources)
Quebec has banned all social events and buildings including theaters, gyms, bars. Only allowing restaurants limited to half capacity.
Alberta has cancelled all daycare and education (ending the school year for good) and has limited religious congregations to 250people max.

All provinces effectively banning visitors to seniors homes.

Alberta now has confirmed unknown community transmission, BC and Ontario has infections widespread and uncontained, they've given up on testing and have switched to the European model of testing (only severe cases). A major concern at this point is the large number of snowbirds

Kenney and Legault is calling on Trudeau to close the borders NOW
BC skipped reporting today, they have A LOT to report tomorrow.
Ontario is expected to ban all non-essential (gas, grocery, pharmacy) businesses within the next 48 hrs

These are wild times

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Majority of people in La Belle Province impressed with Legault, who has been holding daily press conferences and putting himself in front of the cameras with regular updates. Most of his updates can be summed up by "you probably won't like what I have to say, but it's the reality of what we're facing". Nevertheless, everyone seems to appreciate his something versus Ottawa's nothing.

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Legault and Kenney are absolutely killing it.

Legault and his team especially. He doesn't bother to coddle the populace like everyone else, which actually is a much better strategy then hiding information and telling everyone to calm down (lie)

You can tell he actually cares for his people (Quebecers) and worries about the wellbeing of the vulnerable and elders. Very honourable.

Notley right now is focused on shitting on the UCP whining politicizing at such a dumb time, whereas it seems across the country there's widespread political unity.

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US/CAN border will be done in tandem at a future date, too many issues to work out (eg Alaska-Continental US requires one to cross Canada)

BC has passed the boom point, 30 new cases, 6 new ICU hospital cases and 3 new deaths. Considering the lag time the next few days will just keep seeing increases.

It's widespread in most of the population centres (Vancouver Island, The Interior and Vancouver)

Many new cases are linked to an international dental conference (15000 people), imagine getting your cleaning and a virus...
That same weekend was Rugby 7s too

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Pretty unprecedented, Canada will shut it's doors to non-residents and not allow anyone with symptoms onto a plane into the country. They didn't close the boarder to the US yet though.

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We have yet to see how this plays out, but I'm guessing that the 'come one, come all' policy at Roxham Road in Quebec (where all the "Syrian*" "refugees" have been streaming in) will remain in effect.

Also, when he announced financial aid for companies that are affected: I'm guessing that includes people like Galen Weston.


*for the last year or more, it's mostly been Congolese and Angolans.

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(03-16-2020 01:58 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  
US/CAN border will be done in tandem at a future date, too many issues to work out (eg Alaska-Continental US requires one to cross Canada)

BC has passed the boom point, 30 new cases, 6 new ICU hospital cases and 3 new deaths. Considering the lag time the next few days will just keep seeing increases.

It's widespread in most of the population centres (Vancouver Island, The Interior and Vancouver)

Many new cases are linked to an international dental conference (15000 people), imagine getting your cleaning and a virus...
That same weekend was Rugby 7s too

That dental conference is going to be our 'superspreader'.

My wife's best friend went there, even after my warnings not too. She came into contact with the German guy who spread it around. He was the keynote speaker on day one, and had an entourage of dozens of people in order to keep him on schedule. So far she is OK, but information has only been released very recently, and in the mean time she has been going in to her lab every day.

If BC is only testing those who are admitted to hospital, we are certain to have already thousands of cases. Keep this in mind; That all of our 'confirmed' stats are those that are suffering from advanced stages of the virus.

I stopped paying attention to what the government has to say on this matter. Alberta, Quebec and to some degree BC's health officer. Our mysterious mayor decided to poke his head out his foxhole for is annual Hello today. He's keeping schools, daycares and even all the kids spring camps going.

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Anyone converting their CDN to USD?

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(03-16-2020 04:47 PM)scotian Wrote:  Anyone converting their CDN to USD?

Yeah I took a chunk of cash from one of my USD investments this morning. It was a USD account, so no, not converting CDN to USD. Instead taking advantage of the destruction of the CDN$.
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(03-16-2020 04:11 PM)ed pluribus unum Wrote:  Also, when he announced financial aid for companies that are affected: I'm guessing that includes people like Galen Weston.

Galen Weston licking his lips right now as he mandates his wage slaves to bust their asses, Canadian Oligopolies will be well taken care of.

Laner without a doubt, our media here is too complicit and don't press or do any research. No one pressing on testing or the lack of accountability. Instead they circle jerk "how great we're doing" while shitting on the US (in typical canadian fashion)

There's a reason why North Van is the hardest hit right now, undetected cases from Iran causing community spread.

Some exposure via Washington state too.

The dental conference was just dumb, now all non-emergency dental procedures across the country is cancelled and who knows how many exposed. The snowbirds returning home is going to be another shitshow.

Screening measures or border control? None.
Testing? Failed, limited
Contact tracing? Lack luster

BC Ferries will be shut soon.

The maddening part is this could have been seen a mile away. Everyone (government, media, populace): "We couldn't have seen this coming"

Still paid through until the end of the month, luckily exiting my positions last month freed up a lot of USD to use if needed (expected to help out family members, many of them either in RE or service sector)
I'm hearing that I could be recalled back to work via emergency measures once they start losing HC staff or get swamped.

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(03-15-2020 06:57 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Ontario is expected to ban all non-essential (gas, grocery, pharmacy) businesses within the next 48 hrs

These are wild times

Apologies, my source wasn’t entirely accurate. Ontario just declared State of Emergency, only banning certain businesses/events. Other non-essential businesses remain open (malls too)

It’s truly amazing how “reactive” Canada has been rather than proactive.

BC not surprisingly reported a jump of 83 new cases. Like I mentioned before North Vancouver is the outbreak cluster, most likely unscreened people from Iran not caught. They don’t bother telling the media now if it’s travel or local transmission. Lions Gate hospital is the “dedicated” corona hospital currently.

Since about March 10, the number of cases in Canada have been doubling about every 3 days.

2020-03-10 96 (+23%)
2020-03-11 117 (+22%)
2020-03-12 157 (+34%)
2020-03-13 196 (+25%)
2020-03-14 250 (+28%)
2020-03-15 324 (+30%)
2020-03-16 425 (+31%)
2020-03-17 557(+32%)

Ontario has screwed up too, only now did they catch a patient who died a week ago.

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This is a First Nations blockade I can get behind ! They are absolutely right, Tofino has a one room hospital. Plus too many inconsiderate tourists going there for spring break.

I know many other reserves across country have also banned visitors

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^ yes, that is a responsible action for that community, and they are doing it without taking a cue from the govt, which makes me appreciate it even more
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Restaurants and bars have been shut down in Toronto. Hundreds if not thousands have lost their job today from what I am hearing. Small and midsized business are being devastated and many will not survive a two week shutdown.

This virus, combined with very low oil prices and the debt bubble bursting is completely destroying the economy.

All these people are likely living from paycheck to paycheck. I see an absolute breakdown of society taking place if the government does not come up with a solution like UBI or something of the sort.

Furthermore, the mass hysteria caused by coronachan has already decreased civility in this city. People were already rude and ill-mannered but now it is even worse.

What a time to be alive.
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It's not going to be only two weeks...

This is wave one, wait until they shutdown ALL non-food/grocer/gas/pharmacy retail and impose curfews/stay at home orders.

That's why EI is going to be opened up to all, and then more UBI via GST/CCB. Mortgages and rents delayed, the courts are frozen so no evictions will be taking place.

Worst case scenario below (we haven't seen society break down anywhere yet, even in Iran)

Honestly the best places to be = small towns, Alberta and Quebec (they just need to block off Montreal Island)

Vancouver/Toronto does not have the personnel to maintain order, can you imagine a place like the DTES being controlled, the illicit drug supply chains have been hit hard too since ingredients haven't been coming out of China. All the junkies there have to do is spit on officers.

The fact that it's a virus means fear will make it less likely for people to go out and group with others. But as you said how many months will people be okay with staying at home. Such a diverse population too, less social civility

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Build a wall around Toronto, and livestream it for the rest of us!

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Truckers exempt

Ask me around Christmas time and I'd tell you I never could have imagined this ever happening

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I’m still in a remote work camp as the country goes to shit, supposed to be here until the 28th but Western Canada Select is under $10/barrel so they’re probably looking to trim staff, major oil sands projects have been delayed or cancelled, I’ll probably be off work for a couple of months or more. I have about a year’s worth of cash to keep me going. Now I’m just debating whether or not I should stay up in NE Alberta near the CAF base at my buddy’s place, he already bought me some dry/canned food or if I should drive down to central Alberta to stay with my Native buddy who has a bunch of guns and ammo and can shoot as many animals as he wants. Either way I’m probably going to pick up a couple ounces of weed, me nerves!!!

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This virus isn't going to be what kills us, it's going to be the fiscal bomb of the irrational spending by Trudeau.

$82 billion...

This above is double what Harper spent for his whole stimulus package during the great recession.

Next, many costs are not accounted for. The 'Mortgage Holiday' by the Banks, how kind of them. Of course, someone will pay for the defferd interest as the Banks always get paid and I am suspecting it will be the taxpayers whole will shoulder the 'holiday' and we won't know till much later down the road.
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